230 votesJosh Bruce commented
I apologize. I voted for this because I think it's a wonderful step in getting us "there" - wherever there is. My apology is that I did not read the other comments before posting this one; therefore, have no idea if this is a repeat.
I think, the issue raised is 100% valid.
Further, it does not address what I consider is a bigger issue - separation.
The PO and Scrum Master are not, strictly speaking, part of the "delivery team" (despite being part of the Scrum Team). This separation can present us with an accidental hierarchical antipattern, which is, admittedly, the truly complex problem, from my experience.
This antipattern may be an issue of not fully embracing the concept of:
- Service to others
If you embody these things already, this may seem strange, but having the PO and Scrum Master exist outside of the "delivery team" (only using the term because context of this request) can lead to feelings by both POs and Scrum Masters that, in my opinion, they should be willing to, "Show up, roll up, and get dirty with the 'delivery team'," if necessary; or, at least make transparent to the "delivery team" what they are doing to support them somehow.Josh Bruce supported this idea ·